《尖峰時刻》導演Brett Ratner採訪MICHAEL JACKSON曝光
採訪不錯，都是從藝術角度採訪的。MJ很自然，可能不知道自己正在被拍，很放鬆。
Brett Ratner:你有沒有導師的或是啟發你的人。
Michael Jackson：我有。Berry Gordy，Diana Ross，Thomas Edison，Walter Disney，James Brown，Jackie Wilson。
B：你從他們身上學到了什麼？
M:很多。如何變得有眼光，如何具有創造力，如何堅持，如何下定決心，如何鋼鐵般的意志，並且無論如何都不放棄。你知道。
B：那很好。你第一次進入音樂領域的機會是什麼。你是怎麼得到的。
M：第一次，老天，我不太記得那麼遠的事了。大概是我六歲的時候……
B：你第一次……
M：有一家俱樂部叫Mr.Lucky's，我們在那兒表演。
B：你是怎麼得到這份工作的？
M：我不知道，我父親知道，我還很小。
B：在第一次面試你獲得的第一個機會是？
M：第一次大的突破是和摩城簽約，我們在底特律面試。Berry Gordy邀請了所有我們小時候在印第安那喜歡的明星：Diana Ross, Somkey Robinson, the Miracles, the Temptations 和 Stevie Wonder。所有人都在那。在他宅邸室內游泳池的旁邊都是大理石。我們表演了，他們都瘋狂了，他們愛我們的表演。他說，男孩們，你們簽約了。
B：真的麼！你還記得那天？
M：對，我記得。
B：ok，你職業中的什麼元素讓你想沒天都工作?
M:我每天都想工作。因為可以創造世界。就像給你一塊畫布，一塊空畫布，你知道，都是清白的。他們給你顏料，我們就上色然後創造世界。我就是喜歡這樣，所有事。讓後當人們看到時，他們都能敬畏，受到啟發。
B：什麼品質讓你走到了今天的位置?
M:信仰和決心。還有練習。
B：對。熟能生巧。如果你當初明白一些你現在明白的事，你會在你職業生涯中做出什麼不一樣的事？
M：更多的練習。
B:你學到的最重要的東西？
M：不要相信所有人。不要相信音樂工業裏的所有人。有很多壞人。唱片公司偷竊，撒謊，你要去審查他們。藝人是該站出來反抗他們了。他們得到了所有的好處，他們忘記了是藝人成就了公司，而不是公司成就了藝人。沒有有才華的人，公司什麼都不是。你必須有真正好的才華，公眾才願意看。
B：你最喜歡哪些專輯？
M：我最喜歡柴可夫斯基的胡桃夾子，德彪西的Greatest Hits，你知道，就是Claire de Lune" 和 "Arabesque" 還有The Afternoon of a Faun。我喜歡Marvin Gaye的What's Going On。還有James Brown的Apollo現場，音樂之聲。我愛Rodgers 和Hammerstein. 我非常喜愛那些偉大的show tune作曲家, 我還喜歡來自摩城的 Holland-Dozier-Holland--他們是天才. 太多優秀的作曲家了。
B：還有什麼偉大的專輯，像是當代的一些？
M：這不好說，因為現在的專輯有那麼 一兩 首不錯的歌，其他的都很糟糕。
B：你可以說些老的。像是Marvin Gaye或Sly
M：Sly& the Family Stone—我喜歡他們所有的東西。Stevie Wonder是個天才，Talking Book。我喜歡他的“Living for the City".我不記得專輯的名字了，太棒了。我認為那是觸動內心的—太棒了。聽這些音樂讓我對自己說，我想我能做這些，做到國際水準。還有70年代的Bee Gees，我每次聽他們的歌都會哭。我知道每一個音符，每一個樂器。（唱。。。）我喜歡這些東西。當他們寫Saturday Night Fever,我覺得他們是為我而作的。我告訴自己，我要作這個，我一定要做這個，我知道我能做。之後我做了thriller.我開始寫歌，像billie jean ,beat it, wanna be startin' something.就是寫呀寫呀。很有趣。
B：你小時候在你房間裏掛誰的海報麼？
M：Brooke Shields.到處都是。我姐姐（或妹妹）曾經嫉妒的把他們從牆上撕下來。
B:真的麼？Brooke Shields.你看過最棒的演出是什麼？
M：James Brown, Jackie Wilson。那些真正的娛樂家，讓你能起雞皮疙瘩。
B：James Brown.你在哪看他表演的？
M:我們曾經在他後面上臺。他會先上去，然後我們在業餘表演部分上去。我會看著他學習他的每一個步伐。
B：在一個電視節目上麼？
M：不，是在Apollo的表演。
B：Apollo的業餘表演時間。然後你看了他的表演。
M：對，還有Jackie Wilson.所有的人—還有the Delphonics，the Temptations……
B：你看過the Temptations的表演？
M：嗯。
B：有沒有一個表演讓你看了後覺得“我的老天”！
M：James Brown和Jackie Wilson。
B：James Brown和Jackie Wilson.
M:對，他們讓我哭泣。
B：在Apollo劇院麼？
M：對，它讓我哭泣。我從沒見過那樣的表演。那種感情（emotion），那種熱度（fever），那種感受（feeling）。他們就像是站在精神的另一高度。他們像是把觀眾催眠了，將他們控制於指掌之間。他們能夠控制觀眾。我喜歡他們那種力量。當觀眾們看時，臉上都流下了眼淚。哦！他們太沉浸於此。唔!
B:你最喜歡的歌是什麼？
M：最喜歡的歌?
B:嗯。
M：我很喜歡Burt Bacharach.摩城的所有歌。the Beatles的歌，像是“Eleanor Rigby,””Yesterday"。Supremes的所有歌。這些東西都很棒。我認為60年代擁有一些最好的旋律，在Peter,Paul 和Mary當中，你知道，所有這些人。The Mamas and the Papas很棒。the Drifters有點落伍（這裏不知道對不對。go a little further back),但我喜歡那首“On Broadway"--天才之作。最簡單的那些是最好的。我愛”Alfie".太多了。還有很多好電影。
B：那麼列舉一些對人們進入音樂工業有用的東西？
M：相信自己，像偉大的人學習，然後變得更偉大。做個做事科學，深入詳細的人。
B：你之前說過什麼，不要放棄，不是，你說什麼來著？
M：不管怎樣，我的意思是，我不在乎整個世界都反對你，戲弄你，讓你覺得你做不到。相信你自己，不論怎樣。有很多偉大的人為這個世界做了很多，但他們對他們不好。他們讓他們覺得你不能做到，你哪兒也去不了。他們嘲笑懷特兄弟，愛迪生，迪士尼.他們那亨利·福特開玩笑。說他無知。於是這些人輟學了，福特輟學了，迪士尼輟學了。這些人塑造，改變了我們的文化。改變了我們的生活方式，做事方式。我認為上帝通過人種下了一些種子。我認為你是一個，我是一個，給世界帶來祝福，帶來逃避，帶來快樂，帶來魔法。如果沒有娛樂，世界將會是怎樣的。對於我這將是一個完全不同的世界。我熱愛娛樂業。我最喜歡的是電影，那種力量和魔法，是所有藝術形式中最具表達力的。它觸動了靈魂。電影和音樂是最具表達力的。它幾乎就像是宗教。你能完全進入它。當你進入電影院後，你出來將是一個完全不同的人。它有力地影響了你。我喜歡這樣。
B：當你能夠讓一個觀眾感知時，他們和電影是相關聯的。
M：對，你感覺住在裏面，你是他們的一部分。
B：看電影的經歷改變了他們的生活。
M:完全改變了他們的生活。
B:我記得我7歲時看星球大戰，對於Paris和Prince這將是不同的體驗。
M：對。
B：這真的很神奇，雖然是同一部電影，但那是看著世界上發生的事。當我們第一次看這種東西時，就像聽到一首歌或看一個藝術家表演，就像你看James Brown表演，眼淚奪眶而出的感覺是絕對不同的。
M：我不能說出那有多不可思議。我就是愛那些偉大的娛樂家，表演家，表演，講故事的人，看他們就沉浸於此。One Spotlight,Baby.
B:Frank Sinatra?
M:對。他們都很棒。還有Sammy Davis.我愛這些，這是魔法.
B:James Brown和xx
M：（笑）
Michael Jackson: decades before all of the charges and countercharges, he was a pint-size singer with a big dream
Interview, Feb, 2004 by Brett Ratner
"Forget your personal tragedy. We are all b.itched from the start and you especially have to be hurt like hell before you can write seriously. But when you get the damned hurt, use it--don't cheat with it. Be as faithful to it as a scientist--but don't think anything is of any importance because it happens to you or anyone belonging to you."
Those words of advice, quoted in Robert Evans's The Kid Stays in the Picture, were given to F. Scott Fitzgerald by Hemingway, some 70 years ago. They are as relevant today as ever.
Speaking of life's desires, hurts, and euphoria! It ain't easy being a genius: You do pay the price, not unlike Mozart, who will be remembered far longer than Napoleon. Michael Jackson understands this irony. No one I have ever met in my life has had such passion and love for entertainment. His work, brilliance, and vision will be remembered far longer than any of those who now think of him harshly.
Michael and I have shared many a day, week, and month together. Our relationship is based on our love of films. We have watched many films together, and our personal favorite that we enjoy most is Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory! A few months before the latest drama, he and I were on a little vacation. In the past he has often put a video camera to my face and asked me questions. This is what Michael does with his friends: He becomes a scientist and dissects them through questions in order to learn. Many times he has asked me how my childhood dreams became a reality, about why I wanted to become a director. So I decided it was time to hear from him about his childhood dreams.
After my interview, I went out and bought all the records he mentioned and listened to them, understanding a little more about Michael. What you are about to read is a very private and personal conversation between two friends.
BRETT RATNER: Do you have a mentor or someone who inspired you?
MICHAEL JACKSON: Yeah, I do: Berry Gordy, Diana Ross, Thomas Edison, Walt Disney, James Brown, Jackie Wilson.
BR: And what did you learn from them?
MJ: I learned a lot from them--about how to be a visionary, how to be creative, how to be persistent, how to be determined, how to have a will of iron and to never give up no matter what. You know?
BR: What was your first job in the music industry, and how did you get it?
MJ: First job, probably ... Gee, I don't remember back that far. I was around 6 years old. Maybe it was Mr. Lucky's. I think it was a club--yeah, Mr. Lucky's. We performed there.
BR: And how'd you get the job?
MJ: I don't know; my father would know. I was too little.
BR: What was your first break and the first great thing that ever happened to you?
MJ: The real big break was when Motown signed us. We auditioned in Detroit , and Berry Gordy invited all our favorite stars that we saw as kids to this little town in Indiana : Diana Ross, Smokey Robinson & the Miracles, the Temptations, and Stevie Wonder--everybody was there. And it was next to this indoor pool at this huge mansion, marble everywhere. We performed, and they just went crazy. They loved it. And [Gordy] says, "Boys, you're signed."
BR: Really?
MJ: Yeah.
BR: And you remember that day?
MJ: Oh, I remember it.
BR: What elements of your job make you want to go to work every day?
MJ: I want to work every day--just the idea of creating worlds. It's like taking a canvas, an empty canvas, you know, a clean slate. They give you paint, and we just color and paint and create worlds. I just love that idea. And having people see it and be awe-inspired whenever they see it.
BR: What qualities of yours helped you get where you are today?
MJ: Faith and determination. And practice.
BR: Right. Practice makes perfect. What would you have done differently in your career if you knew then what you know now?
MJ: What would I have done differently? Let me see ... Practice more.
BR: Practice more?
MJ: I practiced a lot.
BR: You practiced a hell of a lot! [ Jackson laughs] But you would have practiced more? [ Jackson nods] What's your greatest lesson learned?
MJ: Not to trust everybody. Not to trust everybody in the industry. There're a lot of sharks. And record companies steal. They cheat. You have to audit them. And it's time for artists to take a stand against them, because they totally take advantage of [artists]. Totally. They forget that it's the artists who make the company, not the company who makes the artists. Without the talent, the company would be nothing but just hardware. And it takes a real good talent that the public wants to see.
BR: What are some of your favorite albums?
MJ: My favorite albums would be Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite, Claude Debussy's greatest hits, which is, you know, "Claire de Lune" and "Arabesque" and The Afternoon of a Faun. I love Marvin Gaye's What's Going On, James Brown's Live at the Apollo, The Sound of Music [soundtrack]. I love Rodgers and Hammerstein. I love the great show-tune writers very much, and I love Holland-Dozier-Holland from Motown--they were geniuses. So many great writers. So many great ones.
BR: Any other great albums, like contemporary albums?
MJ: Great albums ... It's hard because albums today have one or two great songs and the rest stink.
BR: Or older style---it could be like Marvin Gaye or Sly.
MJ: Sly & the Family Stone--I like everything they do. Stevie Wonder is a genius.
BR: Which album?
MJ: Every one. Talking Book. I love when he did "Living for the City." I forget the name of it [the album]. Fantastic. I think that was Innervisions--fantastic. Hearing this music made me say to myself, "I can do this, and I think I can do this on an international level."
BR: Really?
MJ: Really, and then when the Bee Gees came out in the '70s, that did it for me. I cried. I cried listening to their music. I knew every note, every instrument.
BR: [sings] "This broken heart ..."
MJ: [sings] "How can you mend ..."
BR: [sings] "This broken heart ..."
MJ: And [sings] "How can you stop the rain from falling down?" I love that. [sings with Ratner] "How can you stop the sun from shining? What makes the world go 'round." I love that stuff. And when they did Saturday Night Fever, that did it for me. I said, "I gotta do this. I know I can do this." And we hit with Thriller. And I just started writing songs. I wrote "Billie Jean." I wrote "Beat It," "Startin' Somethin'." Just writing, writing. It was fun.
BR: Any posters up in your room when you were a kid?
MJ: Yeah. Brooke Shields, everywhere. My sisters would get jealous and tear them off the wall.
BR: What are the great shows that you've seen, concerts?
MJ: James Brown. Jackie Wilson. The real entertainers, the real ones, make you get goose bumps.
BR: It was James Brown? Where'd you see him?
MJ: We used to have to go onstage after him because he would come on and then we would come on amateur hour. So I'd be in the wings studying every step, every move--
BR: --On TV?
MJ: No, at the Apollo [Theater].
BR: Amateur Hour at the Apollo. And you saw him perform?
MJ: Yeah, and Jackie Wilson. All of them--the Delphonics, the Temptations.
BR: But do you remember one show? You saw the Temptations, too?
MJ: Yeah.
BR: But was there a show when you said like, "Oh, my God"?
MJ: James Brown, Jackie Wilson.
BR: At the Apollo?
MJ: Yeah, they made me cry. I've never seen nothing like that. That kind of emotion, that kind of fever, feeling--it was like another higher, spiritual plane they were on. They were, like, in a trance, and they had the audience in the palms of their hands. I just loved how they could control them like that, that kind of power. When they'd sing they'd have tears running down their faces. They'd get so into it.
BR: What are some of your favorite songs?
MJ: Favorite songs of all time? I love Burt Bacharach very much. Any Motown. The Beatles, like "Eleanor Rigby," "Yesterday." Any of the Supremes'. All that stuff is great. I think the '60s had some of the best melodies of all time between Peter, Paul, and Mary, and you know, all those people. The Mamas and the Papas were wonderful. And the Drifters go a little further back, but I love that song "On Broadway"--it's genius. The simple ones are the best, I think. I love "Alfie"--so beautiful. There are so many. Like movies, there are so many great movies.
BR: So list a few things that could be helpful to someone breaking into the music business.
MJ: Believe in yourself. Study the greats and become greater. And be a scientist. Dissect. Dissect.
BR: You said something else before: Don't give up.
MJ: No matter what. I don't care if the whole world is against you or teasing you or saying you're not gonna make it. Believe in yourself. No matter what. Some of the greatest men who have made their mark on this world were treated like that--you know, "You're not gonna do it, you're not gonna get anywhere." They laughed at the Wright brothers. They laughed at Thomas Edison. They laughed at Walt Disney. They made jokes about Henry Ford. They said he was ignorant. Disney dropped out of school. That's how far they went. These men shaped and changed our culture, our customs, the way we live, the way we do things.
And I think God plants those seeds through people on the earth. And I think you're one, I'm one to bring some bliss and escapism, some joy, some magic. Because without entertainment, what would the world be like? You know? What would it really be like? It would be a totally different world for me. I love entertainment. And my favorite of all is film. The power and magic of movies. It's the greatest, it's the most expressive of all the art forms. I think it touches the soul. Music and movies are the most expressive. It's almost like religion: You get so involved, so caught up. You go in the theater a different person than you come out. It affects you that way. That's powerful. I think that's strong. I love that.
BR: When you can make an audience feel.
MJ: Yeah, yeah.
BR: They relate to it.
MJ: Yeah, they live it. They're a part of it. They forget they're sitting in a seat.
BR: The experience of watching a movie affects their life.
MJ: Their whole life. It could change your life.
BR: Yes, I remember seeing Star Wars in the theater when I was 7 years old. It's a different experience for Paris or Prince [ Jackson 's children] seeing it today on DVD, 27 years later. I saw it when it first came out, with all the shock and awe of the time. No one had ever seen anything like it. There were lines for blocks, and I didn't even get in the first time. I had to go back the next day to try again. The memory of being so desperate, at 7 years old, to see that movie makes it an even more unforgettable experience. The first time you see something like that, it permanently affects your life. It's like listening to a song or seeing an artist perform for the first time. Getting to see James Brown, and that moment of tears coming out of your eyes, is different than listening to it on the radio 20 years later.
MJ: I can't tell you how incredible it was. I just love the great entertainers, the great performers, the great showmen, the great storytellers. Just watching them, you're just mesmerized. You're caught up in it. I love it. One spotlight, baby.
BR: Frank Sinatra.
MJ: Yeah. Those guys are cool. And Sammy Davis. I just love it, the whole thing. It's magic, it's real magic.
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