作者Chuck Dakota 翻譯Badthriller（mjjcn）
時間：2008年夏天
第一部分
在第一篇故事裏，我講了自己和Michael Jackson共處3小時的經歷。那是一段永遠無法抹去的記憶，我不僅見到他本人，還跟他成爲了朋友，事實證明這個人壓根不是媒體描述的那樣。他的偉大遠遠超越了生命的界限，不僅在於他的做爲，還因爲他的本身。他總想治癒這個世界，只要有人尋求幫助，他一定願意伸出援手。
自從文章被貼上網以來，我收到數以百記的電子郵件，大家想聽聽採訪錄音或者讀一下採訪記錄。第一部現在奉上！接下來你將讀到當時的採訪記錄。這是一次很特別的採訪，全部聽完你就會明白。讀的時候，想象一下他溫柔地回答著一個個問題，只爲讓世界認識真正的Michael Jackson，一個作爲男人和父親的Michael Jackson，而不是小報頭條的那個。
我們和Michael共處了幾小時，期間談話的每個字都記錄在了錄音帶上，幾天後採訪記錄將刊登。我想分幾部分承上，這樣你們就能感受到我們當時的激動，明白我們的對話是如何進行。
採訪錄音涉及幾個問題。我們被要求給Jackson家族一份，做到了。可是我們還想在下個月用同樣的採訪錄音做一檔特別節目，屆時，我們將在節目中打廣告，並把節目所得通通捐給Michael最喜愛的慈善機構。我們不是爲了掙錢，或者博取名聲，而是想向世界展示Michael Jackson是多麽特別的一個人。第一場節目中，先放出一部分採訪。下一次，我們將播出全部採訪錄音，呈現給世界一個真實的Michael Jackson。他完全是一個天使！我們不會放出自己的名字，整個過程中只有我們的聲音和他的音樂，只有他才是衆人矚目的焦點。
有些人發郵件問我，Michael Jackson到底是什麽樣的，他有沒有僞裝自己？我可以完全地告訴你，他坦然面對自己，從不給自己戴上名譽的光環。我和他成爲朋友，無論通過電子郵件還是電話交流，他都是一樣的。還有人問我，我會不會公佈這些電子郵件的內容？從LA的追思會回來後，我認真考慮了很久，最終決定不！我已經爲此付了幾千美元，我可不想賣出去！我不想當一個從自己死去的朋友身上榨錢的人！還有一個問題是關於這個密碼“MJJITK”，我們見面得使用它來向保安核實身份。我不清楚它的含義，而且我也不像你們中的許多人。我有我的想法，但我不會問他這個問題，而且老實說，我壓根就沒當回事兒，直到我偶然間發現才想起來。
但願你們會喜歡這場採訪，全部內容是我們的音頻製作助理Amy Rogerland聽寫的。Amy，謝謝你的辛苦工作！節目做完過幾天，我們將把所有的對話內容整理好登出來，如果你在當地收聽不到節目的話，可以點擊我給你的鏈結閱讀。
CD：毫無疑問，你是活著最偉大的藝人。回望過去，你曾想過自己會成爲流行之王嗎？
MJ：（笑）哇~非常感謝，你說得太好了。在Thriller專輯前，我無法掌控自己的人生。當我是孩子時，根本就不理解這些。Joseph每周都會給我們Barry發的支票，在我10、11歲時，每周可以拿幾十萬美元的鈔票，而我想要的，只是一個可以一起玩球的朋友和一堆泡泡糖。很誠實地告訴你，小時侯我只想停下來做一個對世界好奇的孩子。
CD：你說自己直到Thriller專輯才煥發生機。這是什麽意思？
MJ：許多人只知道Thriller是我的專輯。我一直有這個念頭，從和哥哥們在夜店玩到淩晨2、3點起就有了。因爲我不能和孩子們玩耍，也不能參加棒球隊，我每晚熬夜寫詩、寫故事。我還記得自己幻想的故事場景，許多都是我夢寐以求的東西。我一直記得自己寫的東西，在製作Thriller專輯時，我取材了一些自己創作的東西放到唱片裏。那是一張我引以爲豪的專輯，Thriller是我創作的東西，我太愛那些音樂了，因爲這是第一次我可以真正表達自己、釋放所有情感。如果認真聽那張專輯，你就能聽出我是發自靈魂創作了那些歌曲。
CD：Michael，從第一天起你就是舞臺之王。你不費吹灰之力就能做到，你把擁有的一切奉獻給了世界。你有後悔過嗎？
MJ：再次感謝你的美言。前幾天我和一個好朋友聊天,聊到過去，我想要是自己能改變什麽的話，我一定要再做回孩子，哪怕只有一會兒。記得過去出入錄音室總能看見孩子們玩耍，我多想成爲其中一員啊。我願意以任何代價來跟他們交換位置，只要一天就好。
CD：Michael，你這輩子都活在媒體的注視下，從象人骨到有孩子。你是怎麽處理好這些事的？
MJ：（笑）象人骨應該是媒體關注的前十件事之一。我總說越大的明星就是越大的靶子，這絕不是說我比其他人好，既然我選擇了自己的生活方式，我就一直在儘量滿足媒體的需求。而他們卻編一切可編的登出來，只要裏面有我名字，報紙就會大賣。我要說別買那些垃圾，就是這樣。我希望人們和歌迷知道的就是，一旦你買了那些垃圾，你不僅把錢送到他們腰包裏，還傷害了我。我也是一個人，不是畸形人，也不是怪人傑克，只是一個想要養育孩子、安寧生活的人。
CD：Michael，孩子們是如何改變你的？
MJ：（深深歎息）噢~哇~一切~改變了一切。我一直都想要孩子，感謝上帝可以讓我擁有那份愛，我會盡一切努力教孩子們熱愛這個世界，而不是當個叼著金湯匙的小皇帝。我要讓他們欣賞世界奇觀，勇敢定下人生目標，充實地生活，我要看著他們邁出每一步，我爲他們起床、爲他們奔波。這是我人生第一次發現，一切皆有果，那就是我的孩子。而煎熬、痛苦、孤寂也會伴隨他們一生。
CD：咱們談談90年代吧。當年你獲得巨大成功，而媒體卻對此輕描淡寫。你賣出幾百萬張唱片、擁有數不清的傳世金曲，我想知道那（指媒體的冷處理）是不是讓你放慢推出新歌速度的原因？
MJ：是的。我很難過媒體說那些專輯完全失敗。它們賣了幾百萬張，如你所說在電臺有著火暴的點播率，但還不夠好。媒體只想關注其他東西，我覺得沒必要沈迷於那些，但媒體就會製造些無中生有的新聞，而我已經給了他們足夠多的新聞素材，那都是事實啊，比如我賣了7、8百萬張唱片，登上排行榜第一，我還能繼續做下去等等，但對他們而言，這些只是陳詞濫調。在他們看來，無論Michael做了什麽，都可以改編成另一個故事。
CD：你有做新音樂或者巡演的計劃嗎？
MJ：我來講些你可能不相信的東西。（笑）我有幾百首未發行歌曲，隨時可以發行一張新合輯。我在錄音室總是唱到不能唱下去爲止，我一直都在創作。我總在捕捉靈感，創作新舞曲，而一般人卻看不到我的那一面。我是想出一張新專輯，但必須做到完美無瑕。我要做得比Thriller更棒，我相信自己可以。我們還在洽談一些演唱會的事宜，但現在需要保密，快了。
CD：我的朋友要做世界上最大的演出，我都等不及了快。我還記得自己是個小DJ的時候，那時是84、85年，你正一箭沖天。做一張新專輯或巡演要費多大工夫？
MJ：（笑）。那時候在堪薩斯市……
CD：那些老闆都在播……
MJ：（很激動）是的是的，我還記得。那是第一次吃堪薩斯烤排，我叫Joseph買了4、5個烤架，在飛機上烤肉吃。（笑）真是花了不少心血。我不會隨隨便便說咱們做場巡演吧，然後雇一堆人就草草上場，無論是上MTV台，和我兄弟們演出，還是做世界巡演。我得處理好每個細節，這要花上幾年時間。這就是爲什麽我不經常巡演的原因（笑）。
CD：說到MTV。當你發現是自己……是你打破了界限，使MTV發展成今天的模樣，你有什麽感想？
MJ：他們說模仿是最大的奉承，有些人還做不到呢。（笑）Chuck別播那個，大家會對我發火的。（笑）開玩笑的。我確實認爲那是最大的成就之一，我也很自豪那些藝術家可以踏著我的足迹、把MTV引領往一個新方向。我常想要是沒有thriller，音樂將變成怎樣。我知道那對世界、對音樂的影響，有時我就會想沒有了它一切將成什麽樣子。
CD：Michael，在所有的採訪裏，我發現你總會提到thriller。在我看來，你在藝術上成就卓絕。不光是音樂上，更多在藝術上。爲什麽你常拿thriller做例子呢？
MJ：問得好，chuck。哇~我想可能因爲這是我的東西吧。那是我第一次可以從頭到尾掌控一切，我可以記錄下腦海中的每個亮點。（笑）人們認爲我是聽到某種聲音（笑）。別吵，我在講話（笑）。抱歉，有時我會激動。是基因，是它們成就了Michael Jackson的事業。我也很自豪可以有其他輔助條件。但thriller還有其他的指標意義，它鋪就了我的音樂之路，就像一張公路圖，從那以後我一步步順著它前進。
CD：太棒了。我以前讀到過說你最喜歡的歌曲和你喜歡的音樂，那麽你最喜歡的一首Michael Jackson歌曲是什麽？
MJ：糟糕，聽起來好象在下死亡通知書哦，問題越來越難答了（笑）。許多歌曲都對我有特殊意義，每首歌都代表了我生命中某個特別部分，從我做的慈善事業到愛到人與人之間的關係到世界和平。我無法選出哪首是最愛的，因爲每首歌都發自內心，而不是拿張紙取支筆，寫點押韻的歌詞而已。
CD：談談慈善吧。你擁有一項吉尼斯世界記錄，就是支援最多慈善機構的藝術家。
MJ：對，是這樣的。我的孩子們跟我說，我們還應該得一項世界記錄，就是吃最多炸雞（笑）。親愛的母親從小就教導我要懂得向別人奉獻，蒙主福蔭，作爲一個基督教徒，我知道自己該做什麽。我不願看到任何人受苦，無法對人們的伸手求援坐視不管，我覺得上帝給了我天賦，我得負責任地使用它回報世界。我會一直做慈善到自己分文不剩，或者上帝招我回家。
CD：你不僅熱衷於慈善還很關愛自己的歌迷。
MJ：我愛歌迷，我真的愛他們，如果可以親眼見到他們每個人的話，我一定願意去。在電視上，我看到有些名人會對那些只想朝自己打個招呼或拍張照的粉絲大動肝火。歌迷們造就了我，如果可以抽出兩分鐘時間給他們，向他們友好地說聲“你好”，這是非常值得的。我爲歌迷們而生，爲歌迷們而死。
CD：Michael，向我描述一下你一天的生活。
MJ：其實滿無聊的。（笑）我會去外星人那兒看看（笑），看看它們寫的故事。（笑）別播出去啊，開玩笑的啦，其實我每天6點半到7點的時候起床，先洗個澡，然後把孩子們叫起來，一起吃早餐，接著把他們的事打理好，然後就去開會或者讀書，孩子們在一邊玩。接著就到吃午飯的時間，下午麽，就一起玩玩遊戲，或者看看電視電影，然後就準備晚餐啦。晚上就出去購物或者帶孩子們去玩，回來後把他們舒舒服服安頓在床上，讀個故事哄他們睡覺。下半夜我就處理郵件之類的東西。一個典型的爸爸哈。
CD：Michael，最後一個問題，你希望世界瞭解你哪一點？
MJ：額……不要想當然地相信一切（笑）。我希望歌迷可以知道一切還沒結束，我還沒認輸，一切將捲土重來，那時的我將比任何時候都強大。這是我欠他們的，也是我欠自己和孩子們的。我要讓他們看看爸爸到底能做什麽，不要只看到過去，看看20年後的我。
就是這樣！但願你們喜歡。聽採訪錄音時，你會想像出一副畫面，一個異常機靈的智者，常常歡笑，熱愛生活。真誠如Michael，沒有他世界將不再相同。
每個人都是背負使命而來，他的使命就是用肩膀承載起音樂的世界。他做到了，即使自己被傷得支離破碎，也總能找到昂首挺立的力量，爲了我們踏遍千山萬水。再見了，我的朋友。我們永遠愛你！
FROM
http://www.associatedcontent.com。
Interviewing Michael Jackson My 3 Hours with the King
Chuck Dakota Date of Interview: Summer of 2008
In my first story you learned about my 3 hours with Michael Jackson. It was a moment in my life that will last forever because not only did I get to meet him but a friendship came from it and proved to me this was a man who wasn't anything like the press made him out to be. He was so larger than life not from what he was but because of who he was. He wanted to heal the world and would of given his left arm if he thought it would help someone in need.
In the days that article has been on the site, I've gotten hundreds of emails wanting to hear the audio or read the transcripts. Well part one is here! Below you will find the transcripts from the actual interview. It's a typical interview, one you would do when putting together a special for broadcast. As you read, imagine his soft spoken voice answering each question wanting the world to know him as Michael Jackson, the man and father not Michael Jackson, tabloid headline!
We stayed with Michael for several hours each word captured on tape. Those transcripts will be up in a few days. I wanted to do this in parts so you could feel the excitement we did and understand how our conversation played out.
As far as the actual audio goes, it's coming to. We've been asked to give it to the family and we did. However we've also made the decision to do a special show to air next month with the same audio. In broadcasting we sell advertising on the show and we've made a plan to do so and each dollar that is made from the show will go to his favorite charities. We're not doing it to make money or get our names out but to show the world how special Michael Jackson was. The first show only gave the interview in segments. In the new show we're playing all the audio so the world can see him for what he really was. An Angel! In fact we're not using our names, just our voices and his music so he has the spotlight like he deserves!
Some of the emails have asked me what he was really like and if he was faking? I can say to you all, that he was a man true to himself and never once put on a "fame aura" about him. I became friends with him and the times we talked through e-mail or the phone he was always the same. I've also been asked if I'm going to post the e-mails? I've thought about this long and hard and after coming back from the memorial in LA I made the decision not to! I've been offered thousands of dollars for them and I won't sell them! I will not be one that makes money off the death of my friend! The other big question was the code! "MJJITK" We had to use that to confirm with security we were supposed to be there. I said I didn't know what it means and I don't! Like many of you I have my ideas but that wasn't a question I was going to ask him and to be honest I forget about it until I dug out the Ryder and looked at it!
I hope you enjoy the interview. It was transcribed by one of our Junior Audio Producers, Amy Rogerland. THANK YOU AMY for the hard work in getting this done! The "conversation" part of our day together will be up in a few days and when the show is done, I'll give you a link in case the radio stations where you live don't have it for broadcast!
CD: You are without doubt the greatest entertainer that ever lived. Looking back did you ever think you would be the king of pop?
MJ: (laughter).. Wow.. Thank you so much... That's wonderful of you to say. I don't think I ever really had a grip on what we did until thriller. When I was a child I didn't understand it all. Joseph would give us checks each week from Barry and I was ten, eleven years old and had hundreds of thousands of dollars handed to me each week and all I wanted was a friend to play ball with and a pack of bubblegum. I can really tell you with all honesty that when I was younger I wanted to stop and just be a child with the astonishment of the world.
CD: You say that it came to life for you with Thriller. What do you mean by that?
MJ: A lot of people don't know this but thriller was mine. I had it in my head from the days of being with my brothers playing clubs at two or three in the morning. Because I could never play with children or join a baseball team I would stay up late into the night and write poems and stories. I remember I would fantasize about what I wrote and I guess a lot of what came out was my dreams of what I really wanted. I kept everything I ever wrote and when I was making thriller I took some of what I composed and adapted it into the album of which I'm very proud of. Because thriller was my own creativity, it made me really fall in love with the music because for the first time I was able to express myself and release all these emotions and if you listen to the album and i mean really listen you can hear that I wrote most of those songs from the soul.
CD: Michael you were the king of the stage since day one. You didn't have to work at it, you had it and gave it to the world. Do you have any regrets?
MJ: Again hank you for such kinds words. That's wonderful. I was talking with one of my dear friends the other day and we were I guess reflecting on the past and I think if I could have changed anything it would have been the chance to be a child for just a little while. I remember going to and from the studios and seeing children play and how all i wanted was to be one of them. I would have traded anything in the world to change places with them just for the day
CD: Michael you've lived your whole life in the press. Everything from the elephant man bones to having alien babies. How do you cope with it all?
MJ: (laughter).. The elephant bones was one of the top ten. I've always said the bigger the star the bigger the target and by no means am I saying that I'm better than anyone else but because of the way I live and choose to live and what I've accomplished the press for the most part feel they can make anything up and as long as it has my name on it, it will sale.. All I can say is don't by that trash. That's all it is, trash and what i want people and my fans to know is when you buy that junk you're putting money in their pockets and it hurts me. I'm a human being, not a freak show or Wacko Jacko, just a man trying to raise his children and live in peace.
CD: Michael how has your children changed you?
MJ: (deep sigh).. Oh wow.. Everything.. Everything has changed. I've always wanted children and I'm so blessed by the lord to have that kind of love in my life and I will do anything and everything I can to make my children lovers of the world and not spoiled brats with the silver spoon. I want them to see the world with wonderment and not be afraid and to have goals and to live life at its fullest and with each step they take I see that in them and I wake up for them and go on for them. For the first time in my life, all of this has a purpose and it's my children. The hell, the pain, the loneliness was leading to them all along.
CD: Let's talk about the 90's run. You had huge success in that decade but the press down played it. You sold millions of albums, had huge hits and I'm wondering if that's why you slowed down with putting out more music?
MJ: Without question. I was so irritated the media said those albums were utter failures. They sold millions of copies like you said and had massive air play and it still wasn't good enough. They wanted to focus on other things and I think we know what those are without having to indulge but the point being it goes back to making news out of nothing when I gave them so much to make news from that was true and honest like selling 7 or 8 million copies, debuting at number 1, I could go on and on but it's the same Ol' story.. If Michael does it, let's burn it into something else.
CD: Do you have plans for new music or maybe a tour?
MJ: Well I'm going to tell you something you may not believe..(laughter).. I have several hundred songs already laid down that I go back to when I want to release a new compilation. When I'm in the studio I sing until I can't sing anymore because I write all the time. I get beats and rhythms and work on new dance steps all the time but people don't see that side of me. I do want to do a new album but it has to be right. I want it to be bigger than thriller and I know I can do it. We're talking about some concerts but right now that's still private information but we're talking and it's coming.
CD: That my friend will be the biggest show in the world.. I can't wait.. I remember I was just a young DJ when you played arrowhead back on 84 or 85. How much work goes into a new album or concert tour?
MJ: (laughter).. Kansas City right....
CD: Yea.. Where the chiefs play...
MJ: (With excitement) Yea.. Yea.. I remember that.. I had Kansas City ribs for the first time and made Joseph buy me four or five racks to eat on the plane. (laughter) It's really a lot of work. I'm not one to say let's do a tour and hire someone to put it all together regardless if it's just on MTV, with my brothers or a world tour. I develop every detail and it takes years. That's why I don't do it all the time (laughter)
CD: Speaking of MTV.. How does it make you feel knowing you are the one.. The only one.. Who broke down the barriers and made it into what it is today?
MJ: They say imitation is one of the biggest form of flattery and some of them just can't do it.. (laughter) Chuck don't you air that.. People will get mad at me.. (laughter) I was just kidding.... I do consider that one of the biggest achievements I've done and I'm so proud of those artist that come in my footsteps and take it into a new direction. I often wonder what music would be if it wasn't for thriller. I know what it did to the world and to music and sometimes i just wonder how different it would have been without it.
CD: Michael, in all the interviews I've ever heard or read you always go back to thriller.. In my opinion you've had so many great works of art.. Not music but art.. So why do you use thriller as the example?
MJ: That's a great question chuck.. Wow.. Well I guess because it was mine. It was the first time I had complete control from start to end and it allowed me to bring everything that was buzzing in my head to life.. (laughter) now people will think I hear voices (laughter) be quit I'm talking (laughter).. Sorry I get carried away sometimes.. It's my Genesis. It's the start of what I consider the career of Michael Jackson. The others before it, I'm very proud of but it had other hand prints on it when thriller was mine and it paved the way for what my music would be. It's like a road map and I've followed it every beat from then until now.
CD: That is so cool... I've read what your favorite song is and what you like to listen to but what is your favorite Michael Jackson song?
MJ: Good grief.. This is like final jeopardy..Do the questions get harder as we go (laughter)... I have many that are special to me. Each song represents something so special in my life from charity work I do to love to relationships to peace in the world so I can't pin down one because each one has come from my soul.. Not just pen and paper with a lyric that rhymes...
CD: Let's talk a minute about charity. You have a Guinness World Record for supporting the most charities from the entertainment world.
MJ: Yea.. It's pretty neat.. My children told me that were going to get one for eating the most fried chicken (laughter).. My dear mother instilled in me very young to give back and as I grew in God I knew what I had to do as a believer in Christ. I hate to see suffering, I hate to see people in need and I feel God gave me a gift and I have to use it responsibly by giving back and I'll do it until I have pennies left or the good lord calls me home.
CD: You're not only like that with charity but also with your fans?
MJ: I love my fans.. I mean I really love them and if I could meet every one of them I would. I watch television and see shows that follow other celebrities and how they get so mad about fans wanting to say hi or get an autograph.. They made me.. So if I can give them two minutes of my time and a friendly hello it's well worth it. I've lived my life by the fans and I'll die by the fans.
CD: Michael give me a typical day in your life?
MJ: Well.. It's very boring.. (laughter).. After i visit with the aliens (laughter) don't air that..I can see them writing that story now.... (laughter) ...I start the day around 6:30 or 7.. Take a shower, get my children up and we have breakfast... I fix them what they want and then I'll have a meeting or read while the children play and then it's about lunch time and we eat and spend the afternoon maybe playing a game or watching TV or a video and i get them ready for dinner and at night we might stay up late to go shopping or something fun for the children. I tuck them in, read them a story, and then I spend the rest of the night catching up on mail and stuff like that. Just a typical dad.
CD: Finally Michael.. What is one thing you want the world to know about you?
MJ: Well.. For one don't read everything you believe (laughter) .. I just want my fans to know that I'm not done.. I haven't thrown in the towel and I'm coming back bigger than ever before... I owe it to them, I owe it to myself and I owe it to my children. I want them to see what their daddy can do, not read about what he was and had to put up with 20 years from now.
Well that's it! I hope you enjoyed it. When you hear the audio from it you will get the image of a very smart man who loves to laugh and enjoys life. He was so honest and true that the world will never be the same without him.
We are all given a purpose in life. His was to carry the music world on his shoulders and he did, even when he was breaking, he would find the strength to stand tall, overcome it all just for us. Goodbye my friend.. You'll never be forgotten!
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